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	<title>Comments on: just 2ct</title>
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	<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/</link>
	<description>by Rainer "physos" Endres</description>
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		<title>By: physos</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>physos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 06:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry if I seem to be quiet on the comments, but I think all this suggestions are better suited on &lt;a href="mailto:kde-print@kde.org" rel="nofollow"&gt;kde-print&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My topic was not the usability of the print dialog. It can be improved, but to be honest I am not too thrilled by most mockups posted (the number of copies in the main dialog? It is "1" 99% of the time) &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Options vary from user to user, and simply posting your favourite subset as default is not what usability is about. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are very good ideas here and I will point Christian Tibirna to this thread when he is back from LWCE SF where he is representing KDE Print.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I seem to be quiet on the comments, but I think all this suggestions are better suited on <a href="mailto:kde-print@kde.org" rel="nofollow">kde-print</a>.</p>

<p>My topic was not the usability of the print dialog. It can be improved, but to be honest I am not too thrilled by most mockups posted (the number of copies in the main dialog? It is &#8220;1&#8243; 99% of the time) </p>

<p>Options vary from user to user, and simply posting your favourite subset as default is not what usability is about. </p>

<p>There are very good ideas here and I will point Christian Tibirna to this thread when he is back from LWCE SF where he is representing KDE Print.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Willie Sippel</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Willie Sippel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 16:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Responding to some of the suggestions here:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1.) Moving the status to the dropdown (as suggested by Cyrille) sounds like a good idea, as it gives you the status instantly while selecting a printer (important for environments where a few identical printers are used by a workgroup, it's important to know which printer is currently online/ offline/ busy)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2.) Don't remove the 'Location', and, under no circumstances, remove the 'Type'! Usually, the default names are not really sufficient/ not descriptive. It might be possible to change the dropdown to show "TYPE (NAME) - [STATUS ICON]", for example: "Samsung ML-1510 (laser) - accepting jobs"...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;3.) I would keep the "Options" and "System Options", ideally using that fold-out dialog suggested by Daniel Molkentin ( http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1241 ) for 'Options'. I think it's save to move the 'Keep this dialog...' checkbox to the 'Options' fold-out, though.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;4.) Leave the 'Output file' line as is. It's &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; important for almost &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; user, as PDF's are not really that uncommon. And it's also better than a second popup to enter a filename appearing &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt; you selected the PDF writer and hit 'Print' in the main print dialog.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;5.) I like the idea to show a print preview. This feature is especially usefull for workgroup printers (I've seen people trying to print a plain A4 latter using an A3 color laser by mistake, that's not only a waste of time, but also a serious waste of money - a preview would have at least shown that the selected printer might not be what the user wanted).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responding to some of the suggestions here:</p>

<p>1.) Moving the status to the dropdown (as suggested by Cyrille) sounds like a good idea, as it gives you the status instantly while selecting a printer (important for environments where a few identical printers are used by a workgroup, it&#8217;s important to know which printer is currently online/ offline/ busy)</p>

<p>2.) Don&#8217;t remove the &#8216;Location&#8217;, and, under no circumstances, remove the &#8216;Type&#8217;! Usually, the default names are not really sufficient/ not descriptive. It might be possible to change the dropdown to show &#8220;TYPE (NAME) - [STATUS ICON]&#8220;, for example: &#8220;Samsung ML-1510 (laser) - accepting jobs&#8221;&#8230;</p>

<p>3.) I would keep the &#8220;Options&#8221; and &#8220;System Options&#8221;, ideally using that fold-out dialog suggested by Daniel Molkentin ( <a href="http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1241" rel="nofollow">http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1241</a> ) for &#8216;Options&#8217;. I think it&#8217;s save to move the &#8216;Keep this dialog&#8230;&#8217; checkbox to the &#8216;Options&#8217; fold-out, though.</p>

<p>4.) Leave the &#8216;Output file&#8217; line as is. It&#8217;s <em>very</em> important for almost <em>every</em> user, as PDF&#8217;s are not really that uncommon. And it&#8217;s also better than a second popup to enter a filename appearing <em>after</em> you selected the PDF writer and hit &#8216;Print&#8217; in the main print dialog.</p>

<p>5.) I like the idea to show a print preview. This feature is especially usefull for workgroup printers (I&#8217;ve seen people trying to print a plain A4 latter using an A3 color laser by mistake, that&#8217;s not only a waste of time, but also a serious waste of money - a preview would have at least shown that the selected printer might not be what the user wanted).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: physos</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>physos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 04:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Navindra: LOL ;)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Navindra: LOL <img src='http://physos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Navindra Umanee</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Navindra Umanee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dammit I've been clicking cancel 5 times in my KDE trying to get rid of that unexpected dialog popup.  :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit I&#8217;ve been clicking cancel 5 times in my KDE trying to get rid of that unexpected dialog popup.  <img src='http://physos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Giacomo</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Giacomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your mockup looks good and I voted for the bug :)
I don't necessarily agree with the current rush to take out options from any dialog, however this is a nice little improvement. Even if the "preview" feature doesn't make it in the end, because it might be slow to appear, I'd still be happy :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your mockup looks good and I voted for the bug <img src='http://physos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I don&#8217;t necessarily agree with the current rush to take out options from any dialog, however this is a nice little improvement. Even if the &#8220;preview&#8221; feature doesn&#8217;t make it in the end, because it might be slow to appear, I&#8217;d still be happy <img src='http://physos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fish</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I love the last mockup!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the last mockup!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cyrille Dunant</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrille Dunant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also created a mockup for the bug...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also created a mockup for the bug&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: BakerStreet Systems</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>BakerStreet Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Task-based interface&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For the first time in my life, I can say today that I understand why human-interface researchers and designers stress this &#8220;fanciful&#8221; idea of task-based controls.
    Check out this post about the default KDE Print dialog:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;Now, confront this...
&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Task-based interface</strong></p>

<p>For the first time in my life, I can say today that I understand why human-interface researchers and designers stress this &#8220;fanciful&#8221; idea of task-based controls.
    Check out this post about the default KDE Print dialog:</p>

<pre><code>Now, confront this...
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		<title>By: lukas</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>lukas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with #1, but still miss some of the often used options (number of copies for example)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #1, but still miss some of the often used options (number of copies for example)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cyrille Dunant</title>
		<link>http://physos.org/2005/08/05/just-2ct/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrille Dunant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2005 12:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I did my duty and http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110230  :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did my duty and <a href="http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110230" rel="nofollow">http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110230</a>  <img src='http://physos.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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